[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

[amibroker] Re: PositionScore Ideas



PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

Actually, there are no rollover charges either if the margin 
requirement is 2% instead of 1% (which is what I use for trading my 
account, but the leverage obviously now drops to 50:1 instead of 
100:1)  So to be fair to the FOREX market, to my broker and to 
myself, using a margin requirement of 2%, I get the following results 
(I hope you are not mad about this):

Statistics | Charts | Trades | Formula | Settings | Symbols

Statistics 
  All trades Long trades Short trades 
Initial capital 1000.00 1000.00 1000.00 
Ending capital 11527.75 6864.56 5663.19 
Net Profit 10527.75 5864.56 4663.19 
Net Profit % 1052.77 % 586.46 % 466.32 % 
Exposure % 73.40 % 39.27 % 34.12 % 
Net Risk Adjusted Return % 1434.39 % 1493.26 % 1366.64 % 
Annual Return % 125.23 % 89.61 % 77.87 % 
Risk Adjusted Return % 170.62 % 228.16 % 228.22 % 

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
 
All trades 1251 628 (50.20 %) 623 (49.80 %) 
 Avg. Profit/Loss 8.42 9.34 7.49 
 Avg. Profit/Loss % 1.10 % 1.18 % 1.01 % 
 Avg. Bars Held 3.78 3.95 3.61 

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
 
Winners 1207 (96.48 %) 607 (48.52 %) 600 (47.96 %) 
 Total Profit 10655.84 5944.79 4711.05 
 Avg. Profit 8.83 9.79 7.85 
 Avg. Profit % 1.15 % 1.23 % 1.06 % 
 Avg. Bars Held 3.80 3.98 3.62 
 Max. Consecutive 232 119 169 
 Largest win 77.52 77.52 60.60 
 # bars in largest win 14 14 6 

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
 
Losers 44 (3.52 %) 21 (1.68 %) 23 (1.84 %) 
 Total Loss -128.09 -80.23 -47.86 
 Avg. Loss -2.91 -3.82 -2.08 
 Avg. Loss % -0.35 % -0.40 % -0.31 % 
 Avg. Bars Held 3.11 3.00 3.22 
 Max. Consecutive 3 2 3 
 Largest loss -21.17 -21.17 -6.72 
 # bars in largest loss 2 2 2 

----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
 
Max. trade drawdown -60.60 -3.85 -60.60 
Max. trade % drawdown -5.98 % -0.83 % -5.98 % 
Max. system drawdown -45.82 -23.73 -30.70 
Max. system % drawdown -1.56 % -0.72 % -1.62 % 
Recovery Factor 229.76 247.14 151.90 
CAR/MaxDD 80.43 124.25 48.21 
RAR/MaxDD 109.59 316.37 141.29 
Profit Factor 83.19 74.10 98.43 
Payoff Ratio 3.03 2.56 3.77 
Standard Error 1145.50 653.90 492.66 
Risk-Reward Ratio 2.52 2.44 2.61 
Ulcer Index 0.10 0.06 0.13 
Ulcer Performance Index 1222.60 1314.36 576.94 
Sharpe Ratio of trades 10.56 10.90 10.29 
K-Ratio 2.19 2.12 2.27 

rgds, Pal


--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "palsanand" <palsanand@xxxx> wrote:
> I will try to do a backtest with over-night roll-over charges 
masked 
> as slippages/commissions of 1%.  For small positions (< 1 million 
$) 
> there are no slippages.  For positions greater than 1 million $, 
> depending on the brokerage house, there might be slippages.
> 
> rgds, Pal
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher" 
> <chuck_rademacher@x> wrote:
> > Pal,
> > 
> > Please try to keep track of your MANY stories.   I have saved a 
lot 
> of your
> > emails just to remind me of the inconsistency in your reporting.
> > 
> > You submit a stock system with no slippage.   You have done a lot 
of
> > postings regarding stock systems.   Each time I ask you about 
> slippage, you
> > tell me that you only trade Forex and NEVER trade stocks.   Which 
> is it?
> > 
> > BTW, you would be the only person on the planet with no slippage 
> trading
> > FOREX.   My futures fund does about $50 million a day in FOREX 
> trades with
> > plenty of slippage (positive and negative).
> > 
> > So, please humour me with your stock system and tell me how well 
it 
> does
> > with 1% slippage.
> > 
> > Thanks
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: palsanand [mailto:palsanand@x...]
> >   Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:07 AM
> >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: PositionScore Ideas
> > 
> > 
> >   I trade the FOREX market and there are no slippages/commissions 
> (the
> >   market being so huge they can afford to have no commissions) 
> there,
> >   i.e, What You See Is What You Get, the price has no slippages, 
it
> >   takes 1 click to get a fill.
> > 
> >   rgds, Pal
> >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher"
> >   <chuck_rademacher@x> wrote:
> >   > Pal,
> >   >
> >   > What good is a backtest with no slippage/commission?   
Slippage
> >   happens!
> >   > What kind of results do you get with 1% slippage?
> >   >   -----Original Message-----
> >   >   From: palsanand [mailto:palsanand@x...]
> >   >   Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:36 PM
> >   >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: PositionScore Ideas
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   If you think that was nice, you might find the following 
> nicer:
> >   >
> >   >   I used the following for the PositionScore (modified) with
> >   MaxOpenPos
> >   >   = 5, MaxRisk = 0.1 and PositionSize = -100/MaxOpenPos, 
initial
> >   equity
> >   >   = $1000, MinShares = 100, Margin = 1, No 
> commissions/slippage, No
> >   >   trade delays:
> >   >
> >   >   tr13 = 0.4 * (C - Ref(C, -63)) / Ref(C, -63) * 100;
> >   >   tr26 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -126)) / Ref(C, -126) * 100;
> >   >   tr37 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -189)) / Ref(C, -189) * 100;
> >   >   tr52 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -252)) / Ref(C, -252) * 100;
> >   >   RSW = tr13 + tr26 + tr37 + tr52;
> >   >   PositionScore = RSW;
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Statistics | Charts | Trades | Formula | Settings | Symbols
> >   >
> >   >   Statistics
> >   >     All trades Long trades Short trades
> >   >   Initial capital 1000.00 1000.00 1000.00
> >   >   Ending capital 11682.22 7056.75 5625.47
> >   >   Net Profit 10682.22 6056.75 4625.47
> >   >   Net Profit % 1068.22 % 605.67 % 462.55 %
> >   >   Exposure % 73.64 % 39.75 % 33.89 %
> >   >   Net Risk Adjusted Return % 1450.54 % 1523.54 % 1364.91 %
> >   >   Annual Return % 126.23 % 91.35 % 77.48 %
> >   >   Risk Adjusted Return % 171.41 % 229.80 % 228.62 %
> >   >
> >   >   ------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
> >   ----
> >   >   ----------
> >   >
> >   >   All trades 1246 626 (50.24 %) 620 (49.76 %)
> >   >   Avg. Profit/Loss 8.57 9.68 7.46
> >   >   Avg. Profit/Loss % 1.10 % 1.20 % 1.00 %
> >   >   Avg. Bars Held 3.79 3.99 3.59
> >   >
> >   >   ------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
> >   ----
> >   >   ----------
> >   >
> >   >   Winners 1201 (96.39 %) 606 (48.64 %) 595 (47.75 %)
> >   >   Total Profit 10819.18 6132.56 4686.62
> >   >   Avg. Profit 9.01 10.12 7.88
> >   >   Avg. Profit % 1.16 % 1.26 % 1.06 %
> >   >   Avg. Bars Held 3.82 4.02 3.60
> >   >   Max. Consecutive 232 122 174
> >   >   Largest win 77.52 77.52 60.60
> >   >   # bars in largest win 14 14 6
> >   >
> >   >   ------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
> >   ----
> >   >   ----------
> >   >
> >   >   Losers 45 (3.61 %) 20 (1.61 %) 25 (2.01 %)
> >   >   Total Loss -136.96 -75.81 -61.15
> >   >   Avg. Loss -3.04 -3.79 -2.45
> >   >   Avg. Loss % -0.36 % -0.41 % -0.32 %
> >   >   Avg. Bars Held 3.09 2.95 3.20
> >   >   Max. Consecutive 3 2 3
> >   >   Largest loss -21.17 -21.17 -17.19
> >   >   # bars in largest loss 2 2 3
> >   >
> >   >   ------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
> >   ----
> >   >   ----------
> >   >
> >   >   Max. trade drawdown -60.60 -4.03 -60.60
> >   >   Max. trade % drawdown -5.98 % -0.83 % -5.98 %
> >   >   Max. system drawdown -60.40 -23.03 -37.37
> >   >   Max. system % drawdown -1.53 % -0.70 % -1.63 %
> >   >   Recovery Factor 176.86 262.99 123.78
> >   >   CAR/MaxDD 82.47 130.55 47.67
> >   >   RAR/MaxDD 111.99 328.40 140.68
> >   >   Profit Factor 79.00 80.89 76.64
> >   >   Payoff Ratio 2.96 2.67 3.22
> >   >   Standard Error 1161.89 657.70 505.32
> >   >   Risk-Reward Ratio 2.52 2.49 2.56
> >   >   Ulcer Index 0.10 0.06 0.13
> >   >   Ulcer Performance Index 1199.42 1449.04 539.46
> >   >   Sharpe Ratio of trades 10.41 10.85 10.07
> >   >   K-Ratio 2.19 2.17 2.23
> >   >
> >   >   rgds, Pal
> >   >
> >   >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Close" <closeks@xxxx>
> >   wrote:
> >   >   > If so, nice signals (:-)
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Understatement!!!!!
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Ken
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > -----Original Message-----
> >   >   > From: Dave Merrill [mailto:dmerrill@x...]
> >   >   > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:07 PM
> >   >   > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   >   > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: PositionScore Ideas
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Do I have it right that there's other buy/sell signal code
> >   we're not
> >   >   > seeing, and PositionScore is being used only for ranking 
> when
> >   there
> >   >   are
> >   >   > more buy signals than available positions? This isn't a
> >   rotational
> >   >   > system using only PositionScore?
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > If so, nice signals (:-)
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Dave
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > This backtest comparison is for illustrative purposes 
only. 
> I
> >   make
> >   >   no
> >   >   > claims regarding these test results other than the AFL 
and 
> Setup
> >   >   > criteria was identical for both tests. The only 
difference 
> was
> >   the
> >   >   > assignment of PositionScore = QRS versus PositionScore = 
> RSW.
> >   >   >
> >   >   > NOTE:
> >   >   >
> >   >   > // RSW = .4*(Total Return 13-Week)+.3*(Total Return 26-
Week)
> +.3*
> >   >   (Total
> >   >   > Return 1-Year)
> >   >   > tr13 = 0.4 * (C - Ref(C, -65)) / Ref(C, -65) * 100;
> >   >   > tr26 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -130)) / Ref(C, -130) * 100;
> >   >   > tr52 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -260)) / Ref(C, -260) * 100;
> >   >   > RSW = tr13 + tr26 + tr52;
> >   >   > PositionScore = RSW;
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Date Range 6/1/1995 to Present (No QRS scores exist prior 
to
> >   this)
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Direct comparison:
> >   >   >
> >   >   >       RSW SCORE            QRS SCORE
> >   >   >       Long trades            Long trades
> >   >   > Initial capital      100000            100000
> >   >   > Ending capital      22984180      190338380
> >   >   > Net Profit      22884180      190238380
> >   >   > Net Profit %      22884.18%      190238.38%
> >   >   > Exposure %      94.25%            94.16%
> >   >   > Net RAR %      24280.98%      202035.63%
> >   >   > Annual Return %      89.07%              142.19%
> >   >   > Risk Adj Retn %      94.50%            151.01%
> >   >   >
> >   >   > All trades      7431 (100.00 %)      7487 (100.00 %)
> >   >   > Avg. Profit/Loss      3079.56 25409.16
> >   >   > Avg. Profit/Loss %      -4.16%      -2.88%
> >   >   > Avg. Bars Held               2.65      2.63
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Winners               3829 (51.53 %)      4066 (54.31 %)
> >   >   > Total Profit      64437022.92      436648089.7
> >   >   > Avg. Profit      16828.68      107390.09
> >   >   > Avg. Profit %      3.10%            3.13%
> >   >   > Avg. Bars Held      2.33            2.33
> >   >   > Max. Consecutive      17      17
> >   >   > Largest win      978262.15      7798920.06
> >   >   > # bars in largest win      2      2
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Losers      3602 (48.47 %)            3421 (45.69 %)
> >   >   > Total Loss      -41552842.92      -246409709.4
> >   >   > Avg. Loss      -11536.05      -72028.56
> >   >   > Avg. Loss %      -11.88%            -10.03%
> >   >   > Avg. Bars Held      2.98            2.99
> >   >   > Max. Consecutive      13      12
> >   >   > Largest loss      -542767            -4301835.5
> >   >   > # bars in largest loss      6      6
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Max. trade drawdown      -610851.92      -4864832.72
> >   >   > Max. trade % drawdown      -98.69%            -99.67%
> >   >   > Max. system drawdown      -2119041.36      -15587244.83
> >   >   > Max. system % drawdown      -34.68%            -27.63%
> >   >   > Recovery Factor      10.8            12.2
> >   >   > CAR/MaxDD      2.57            5.15
> >   >   > RAR/MaxDD      2.72            5.46
> >   >   > Profit Factor      1.55            1.77
> >   >   > Payoff Ratio      1.46            1.49
> >   >   > Standard Error      2982472.3      25676798.01
> >   >   > Risk-Reward Ratio      0.44      0.38
> >   >   > Ulcer Index      12.1            7.64
> >   >   > Ulcer Performance Index      6.92      17.9
> >   >   > Sharpe Ratio of trades      -0.72      -0.86
> >   >   > K-Ratio                       1.09      0.93
> >   >   >
> >   >   > FWIW, I have some other systems / variations that I'll 
run a
> >   RSW vs.
> >   >   > QRS comparison on. If there are any notable improvements 
to 
> the
> >   RSW
> >   >   > results, I'll post them.
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Regards,
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Phsst
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > ADVERTISEMENT
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >
> >   
> 
<http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cg8o69u/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=
> >   >   eg
> >   >   >
> >   >
> >   
> 
roupweb/S=1705632198:HM/EXP=1071443239/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli
> >   >   x.
> >   >   > com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?
> >   >   M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou
> >   >   > pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=913965878>
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> >   >   > Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> >   >   > -----------------------------------------
> >   >   > Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: 
> amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   >   > (Web page: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> >   >   > --------------------------------------------
> >   >   > Check group FAQ at:
> >   >   > 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> >   >   > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Terms of Service.
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >         Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >   >               ADVERTISEMENT
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> >   >   Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> >   >   -----------------------------------------
> >   >   Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: 
> amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   >   (Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> >   >   --------------------------------------------
> >   >   Check group FAQ at:
> >   > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> >   >
> >   >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> >   Service.
> > 
> > 
> >         Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >               ADVERTISEMENT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> >   Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> >   -----------------------------------------
> >   Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   (Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> >   --------------------------------------------
> >   Check group FAQ at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> > 
> >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
> Service.


------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GHeqlB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----------------------------------------
Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
(Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
--------------------------------------------
Check group FAQ at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/