[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

[amibroker] Re: CedarCreek



PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

Steve,

Don't worry about it. I just uploaded the files here
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker-ts/ >

John
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading" <kernish@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > Did you manage to upload your presentations to the files section ?
> 
> My Outlook Express crashed for a three day period.  If someone 
could send me
> instructions for loading the files to the AB site, I will do it this
> morning.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Steve
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "leonardot19" <leo.timmermans@xxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:46 AM
> Subject: [amibroker] CedarCreek
> 
> 
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Did you manage to upload your presentations to the files section ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Leo
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading" 
<kernish@xxxx>
> > wrote:
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > This was the Denver Trading Group presentation a few weeks 
ago.  It
> > was given by my Fort Collins buddy:  Dave Chamness.  Tell me what 
you
> > think.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   From: HB
> > >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:28 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [amibroker] Robustness testing & Over-
optimization
> > checklist
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hello Dave,
> > >
> > >   For #10, Kaufman is refering to the notion that the majority
> > (68%) of the range of parameters should be profitable.  In a map 
of
> > parameter values & associated returns, you want to see a plateau
> > instead of just spikes.  Check out the 3D optimization 
spreadsheet in
> > the Files section.
> > >
> > >   Also, the order of parameters is crucial because you should 
test
> > the most importanat variables first, i.e. the ones that cause the
> > largest changes in your results.  Focus on those first and then on
> > the less important ones
> > >
> > >   Yes, the book is excellent, not just for the robustness 
section.
> > I haven't read his other trading system book yet though so I don't
> > know if there are similarities.
> > >
> > >   HB
> > >     ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >     From: Dave Merrill
> > >     To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >     Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:53 AM
> > >     Subject: RE: [amibroker] Robustness testing & Over-
optimization
> > checklist
> > >
> > >
> > >     thanks, I think I made that original request, maybe others 
too.
> > >
> > >     what do you make of these:
> > >     g    gggggggggggggggggggggg
> > >     > 8. Will you test a full range of parameters.
> > >     > 9. In what order will the parameters be tested?
> > >     > 10. Are the parameters distributed properly?
> > >
> > >     why would you expect profitability for all parameter 
settings?
> > does the existence of some unprofitable settings invalidate a
> > strategy? what difference does the order in which parameters are
> > tested make? what does #10 mean?
> > >
> > >     did you like the book overall? would you say it answers the
> > robustness question well, beyond this checklist?
> > >
> > >     thanks,
> > >
> > >     dave
> > >       I recall someone asking about over-optimization and
> > robustness testing.  Here's an excerpt from...
> > >
> > >       Book: "Smarter Trading: Improving Performance in Changing
> > Markets"
> > >       Chapter: Making a Strategy Robust
> > >       Author: Perry Kaufman
> > >
> > >       CHECKLIST FOR ROBUST TESTING
> > >
> > >       PART 1: Deciding What to Test
> > >
> > >       1. Is the strategy logical?
> > >       2. Can you program all the rules?
> > >       3. Does the strategy make sense only under certain 
conditions?
> > >       4. Take a guess as to the expected results.
> > >
> > >       PART 2: Deciding How to Test
> > >
> > >       5. Choose the testing tools and method.
> > >       6. Do you have enough of the "right" data?
> > >       7. Have you Included realistic transaction costs?
> > >       8. Will you test a full range of parameters.
> > >       9. In what order will the parameters be tested?
> > >       10. Are the parameters distributed properly?
> > >       11. Have you defined the evaluation criteria?
> > >       12. How will the output be presented?
> > >
> > >       PART 3: Evaluating the Results
> > >
> > >       13. Are the calculations correct?
> > >       14. Were there enough trades to be "significant?"
> > >       15. Does the trading system produce profits for most
> > combinations of parameters?
> > >       16. Did logic changes Improve overall test performance?
> > >       17. How did it perform on out-of-sample data?
> > >
> > >       PART 4: Choosing the Specific Parameters to Trade
> > >
> > >       18. Did the last test include the most recent data?
> > >       19. Did you choose from an area of broad success?
> > >       20. Are profits distributed relatively evenly over the 
tested
> > history?
> > >       21. Are the profits per trade large enough to absorb 
errors?
> > >       22. Did the historic results show any large losses due to
> > price shocks?
> > >       23. Have you risk-adjusted the returns to your acceptable
> > >
> > >       PART 5: Trading and Monitoring Performance
> > >
> > >       24. Are you following the same rules that were tested?
> > >       25. Are you trading the same data that was tested?
> > >       26. Are you monitoring the difference between the system's
> > actual entries & exits?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> > >       Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> > >       -----------------------------------------
> > >       Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to:
> > amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >       (Web page: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> > >       --------------------------------------------
> > >       Check group FAQ at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> > >
> > >       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms 
of
> > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> > >     Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> > >     -----------------------------------------
> > >     Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to:
> > amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >     (Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> > >     --------------------------------------------
> > >     Check group FAQ at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> > >
> > >     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
>
> > >
> > >         Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > >               ADVERTISEMENT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> > >   Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> > >   -----------------------------------------
> > >   Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: 
amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   (Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> > >   --------------------------------------------
> > >   Check group FAQ at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> > >
> > >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxx
> > Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxx
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > (Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Check group FAQ at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >


------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GHeqlB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

Send BUG REPORTS to bugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Send SUGGESTIONS to suggest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----------------------------------------
Post AmiQuote-related messages ONLY to: amiquote@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
(Web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiquote/messages/)
--------------------------------------------
Check group FAQ at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/groupfaq.html 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/