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Well, Salil,
I certainly
agree with you that <FONT
color=#000080>" How much or how little sense source code control makes
for individual use depends completely upon how exactly the individual is
using it."
I've depended heavily on
the checkout/checkin feature since my first suspicion that senility was at
hand.
<FONT
color=#000080>
<FONT
color=#000080>Regards,
??
<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Salil V Gangal
[mailto:salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx]Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:18
PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [amibroker]
The #include re-read work-around ... Stopped working !
Tomasz,
As I wrote to Fred, I don't pretend to know about what editors
others find comfortable. If someone finds 'vi' / 'emacs' editors
comfortable, then be it. I do not consider myself to be qualified
to 'ROTFL' because of the choice of editor someone might
make. My attitude about this is 'to each his (her)
own'. (You seem to have a different attitude about
this.)
How much or how little sense source code control makes
for individual use depends completely upon how exactly the individual is
using it.
Bottom line - AmiBroker did not re-read the #include file after about 15
to 20 executions and I am wondering about how to force AmiBroker to
re-read the #include file from disk short of exiting and invoking it
again.
Regards,
- Salil V
Gangal
Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx>
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
Salil,
Re: most important point #9:
>9) Most important, you get to be in the environment that you
are
> most comfortable with. (Be it 'vi' or
'emacs' or 'TextPad' or 'ConText' or ....)
Especially 'vi' and 'emacs' must be most preferred editors
among AmiBroker users, ROTFL :-))))
Re: RCS
Source control is used for CO-OPERATION in developer group
to manage 'reserving' (checking out)
and 'submission modified code'
(checking-in) formulas so multiple developers
know who works
on which part of bigger project.
Using it by single person makes very little
sense.
To summarise:
if you really want you can write any editor you wish
(vi for example if you are Unix evangelist),
but I am thinking towards MAJORITY of <FONT
size=2>users that need built-in editor,
auto hi-lite, context help, auto-complete and parameter
info, the features
not provided by external editors.
Bottom line: I have my to-do list full of
features that 99% of users would highly appreciate
(like recently introduced AFL improvements, portfolio
backtesting, more plugins (IB for example),
etc) that I am far from
implementing features that only 1% (or less) of users would
use.
Best regards,Tomasz Janeczkoamibroker.com
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
----- Original Message -----
<DIV
>From:
Salil
V Gangal
To: <A
title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:41
PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] The #include
re-read work-around ... Stopped working !
Tomasz,
Alas ... you seem to have ignored the 'Most important' #8
point.
Please be fair and admit that you do not have complete idea of
the editing requirements/habits of every programmer who codes
some AFL. A feature that you find as 'essential' in
editing, may be 'trivial' for someone else and what you find as
'trivial' may be 'essential' for someone else.
>>Be fair and admit that source control is NEVER used to
write AFL formulas.<<
Nope .... I will admit no such thing !
All of my personal code including even the small AFL
scripts, are under source code control. A single user
free source code control is available at the following URL =""
href="">http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/rcs/dlconfirm.htm)
Regards,
- Salil V
Gangal
Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx>
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
Salil,
You seem to forget that AFL codes are much shorter
than C++ / Delphi / VB
codes. They have a few hundreds (rarely thousands) of
lines.
The features you mention are targeted to write big
programs
like AmiBroker (that has millions of
lines).
So although some of them are nice they are not
essential,
and not that important as the ones I listed
(especially for the beginners)
Be fair and admit that source control is NEVER used to
write AFL formulas.
Source control is needed only if <FONT
size=2>you work in a GROUP of developers working together
and sharing sources simulatenously
on SINGLE BIG project.
Lack of it can not be compared to lack of context
help, or auto-completion.
It is nice to have a car with air-condition but first
you have to have the engine and
steering wheel.
I consider most the features you listed as minor
compared to those mentioned by me
and already available in AmiBroker.
A few exceptions are 4 and 8 that will appear sometime
in (not too distant) future.
Best regards,Tomasz Janeczkoamibroker.com
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
----- Original Message -----
<DIV
>From:
<A title=salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx
href="">Salil V Gangal
To: <A
title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 6:17
PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] The
#include re-read work-around ... Stopped working !
<FONT
color=#ff409f>Tomasz,
If you use external programmers' editor you
gain:
1) Infinite level of 'undo/redo'.
2) Automatic or timed back-up of your code
3) 'Source-code control' of your code
4) Automatic intelligent indenting
5) 'Regular-expression' search-n-replace.
6) Incremental search
7) Column copy-n-paste
8) Multiple windows over the same program
and
multiple windows over different programs
9) Most important, you get to be in the environment that you
are
most comfortable with.
(Be it 'vi' or 'emacs' or 'TextPad' or 'ConText' or
....)
Lots of editors allow programming of the syntax hiliting as
well.
>>I see no good reason to switch to external
editor and loose all these goodies, <FONT
size=2>therefore right now I don't support this
idea.<<
As the programming needs grow in the future, perhaps
you will and perhaps you may.
Regards,
- Salil V
Gangal
Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx>
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
Hello,
If you use external editor you loose:
- automatic syntax highlighting for all AFL
functions and all loaded plugins
(although some external editors have
definable syntax hi-lite but it forces you
to update syntax definiiton file with
EACH BETA release or each load of new plugin.
Built-in AFL editor automatically
reacts on all new functions added and automatically
recognizes functions provided by all
loaded plugins)
- AFL "Intellisense" technology (auto-completion
and parameter information)
- automatic context sensitive function reference
(F1 over function name)
I see no good reason to switch to external editor
and loose all these goodies,
therefore right now I don't support this
idea.
Best regards,Tomasz Janeczkoamibroker.com
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
----- Original Message -----
<DIV
>From:
<A title=salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx
href="">Salil V Gangal
To: <A
title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003
4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] The
#include re-read work-around ... Stopped working !
<FONT
color=#ff409f>Tomasz,
As I wrote below ===> <FONT
face="comic sans ms">For every execution I was adding a space in
the script containing #include statement. But
after about 15 to 20 times, not matter how many spaces I
added, no matter how many trivial _N("Hello
World!"); I added, the #include file was not getting
re-read from the disk.
Once I even changed the name of the #include to a
non-existing file. Quite correctly AmiBroker did not
include the non-existing #include file. Immediately
afterwards I changed the #include file name to existing file, but
still AmiBroker did not re-read the #include file.
BTW, I understand why AmiBroker avoids re-reading.
However, using external programmers' editors for code
development, rather than using AmiBroker's internal
editor has its own advantages, evenif such development and
subsequent inclusion of this code in AmiBroker via
#include goes against the idea of the intended use of
#include from AmiBroker's perspective.
(ORACLE's SQL*Plus has a nice built-in work-around. It
has facility where the developer can set text editor to any
one that's installed. ORACLE invokes this editor in edit
mode and re-reads the edited code in execution mode.)
Regards,
- Salil V
GangalTomasz Janeczko
<amibroker@xxxxxx> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
Salil,
You must CHANGE the formula in AA. If you add
a space and delete it immediatelly afterwards - in fact there is
NO CHANGE.
So use either one action or another but not
both!
Best regards,Tomasz Janeczkoamibroker.com
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
----- Original Message -----
<DIV
>From:
<A title=salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx
href="">Salil V Gangal
To: <A
title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 10,
2003 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: [amibroker]
The #include re-read work-around ... Stopped working !
<FONT
color=#ff409f>Dingo,
I was developing script for last 1/2 hour. For every
execution I was adding a space in the script containing
#include statement. I must have executed it 15 to 20
times. And now looks like AmiBroker is no longer re-reading
the #include file, evenif I am adding / deleting spaces
and adding deleting some trivial strings. I saved and
re-loaded the 'Formula' file a couple of time also.
Looks like the work-around has stopped working.
Any other work-around short of exiting AmiBroker and
invoking it again ?
Regards,
- Salil V
GangalSalil V Gangal
<salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
<FONT
color=#ff409f>Dingo,
Oh ... okay.
Thanks for the work-around. Just adding a space forced
the re-reading.
Regards,
- Salil V
Gangaldingo
<dingo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>TJ reported that it worked the way as
you describe. So it is "by design". You need to
change the formula in the AA window (add a space) or
reload the formula to get it to re-read the Included
file.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>see msg 37177.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>d
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr
align=left>-----Original
Message-----From: Salil V Gangal
[mailto:salil_gangal@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday,
May 09, 2003 11:13 PMTo:
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [amibroker]
The #include does not get re-read for each execution
?
<FONT
color=#ff409f>Tomasz,
It looks as if the #include file is not
getting re-read from the for every execution
(invocation) of the program that contains the #include
statement. It looks like a bug.
Create a .AFL file with text (say)
"Hello World!";
And include this above file using #include in (say)
the 'Guru Formula' and get the commentary. It
will contain the string Hello World!
Now change the disk file without exiting
AmiBroker to contain the string following
string and save it to disk.
"Hello World! Hello World!";
Flip to 'Guru' Formula and click 'Apply' ...
the string that's show in the commentary still is a
single Hello World! rather than double Hello
World!
Regards,
- Salil V
Gangal
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