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Re: [amibroker] Re: a few considerations about optimization



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There will always be "fractal" (discontinuous) 
events in any market.   However, I believe the "average" way 
a stock responds to a non-predicted "event" is dependant on characteristics 
which are variable between stocks.  A simple example is average 
volume.  One could theoretically encode the principles.  As the 
average trader gets smarter (this is happening, leveraged by computers)  it 
may be necessary.  At this time, it is not necessary.   In any 
event, backtesting is adequate to control this.  911 was an event.  
Including it would be one way to empirically assess an event.
 
Richard
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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:24 
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Subject: [amibroker] Re: a few 
considerations about optimization
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In amibroker@xxxx..., "Avcinci" <<A 
href="">avcinci@xxxx...> wrote:> Franco,> 
> Recently I was talking to a professional trader who told me that 
some stocks simply don't behave well in any system and others do 
extremely well (in backtesting). He attributes this to a term called 
the "fractal efficiency ratio," coined by Perry Kaufman. A stock has 
to have some non-random movement to be predictable.  It's the total 
change in price over a given period, divided by the sum of the 
absolute values of all the daily changes in price.  If a stock has 
too small a directional component, then it's a poor candidate for any 
system, regardless of how many filters or refinements you add.  
You're better off using all that firepower on a better target. I've 
been testing a lot of stocks lately individually, finding that many 
simply give very bad backtest results and very non-robust parameter 
coefficients. So, I eliminate them from my watchlist and concentrate 
on those stocks that behave well. This seems to be working well. I 
haven't had time to write any code yet to see if the good-performing 
stocks have a higher fractal efficiency ratio (personality as you call 
it?) than the poor performing ones, but it's worth a try. You must test 
over a long enough period of time to encompass bullish, bearish, and 
sideways markets, like 1/1/97 (or even earlier) to present time. If you 
try this idea out, let me know how successful you are. I'm very interested 
in this concept. When I get a chance, I'll try it myself. But, in theory, 
it seems to have merit. > > Al Venosa> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: 
Franco Fornari >   To: amibroker@xxxx >   
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:15 AM>   Subject: 
[amibroker] a few considerations about optimization> > 
>   Hello,> >   trying to optimize 
any trading system, I think we all have thought, sometime, we would like 
to avoid such a tedious process or to do it once and for 
all.>   It could be possible? This question badgered me for a 
long time, unfortunately with no success, yet I feel there must be a 
solution.>   Why I say that? Because a peculiarity of each 
stock, called "personality" by someone, wich seems stable enough. In other 
words, I think if we were able to mathematically represent this 
characteristic, we could automatically optimize any trading 
systems.>   But, the big matter is: what is this 
characteristic (long term volatility, frequency of peaks and troughs, 
price)? How could we assess or measure it? And, first of all, does such a 
feature exist or is it only a mirage? How do you think about?> 
>   Best regards,> >   Franco> 
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