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Anthony,
 
I agree in general with your rules. However, there are a couple of 
anomalies. If your total portfolio risk (I presume you are referring to 
portfolio heat?) is limited to 20% of capital, how, then, can your exposureto 
one particular stock or sector be as high as 25%, which is higher than your 
allowed total risk? I think exposing your portfolio to one stock or sector 
by as much as 25% is extremely risky. I'd limit this to no more than 5-10% 
max. You don't want one stock to give you a 25% hit to your portfolio, do you? 

 
Also, we must not lose sight of the difference between "risk of loss" and 
"allocation risk". Risk is defined as the amount you are willing to lose ona 
given trade. If it's 1% on a $100,000 portfolio, then your risk of loss is 
limited to $1000. However, to take on that risk, your equity allocation is going 
to be much higher than that. For example, if you are using a 
volatility-based risk system, suppose you want to buy a $50 stock whose ATRis 
$1.5. If you set 2 ATRs as your max stoploss, and assuming your risk is 1% of 
$100,000, you would buy 1000/3 or 333 shares x $50/share or $16,650. So, you're 
allocating $16,650 (16.7% ) of unmargined equity on this trade with a potential 
of losing $1000 (1%). So, when you say you are "risking" 25% on one stock, are 
you talking about allocation risk or loss risk? 
 
Al Venosa
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Anthony Faragasso 

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Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:21 
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Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re:Money 
management
Dimitri,"you may see now the max drawdown at 
28%.Is it unaffordable 
?"/**************************************************************/For 
some maybe not, for others maybe yes,.... I prefer  to keepdrawdowns 
at 25% or less.What is your initial maximum loss stop on trade entry ? How 
do youprotect your capital on the entry signal ? What if the first trade 
is aloss ? How about  4 losses in a row ?A Few Money 
Management Benchmarks that I consider:Per Trade risk.............limit 
to 2 % [or less ] of trading capitalTotal portfolio risk......limit to 20 
% of trading capital [ 15 % inuncertain periods ]Exposure to a 
particular stock or sector......No more than 25% ofcapital; Divest when 
above 33%Drawdowns...............25% maximumHere is an intersting 
Table:It shows how much your account has to recover from various 
sizedDrawdownsin order to get back to even.Recovery after 
Drawdowns:Drawdowns.................Gain to 
recovery5%.................................5.3% 
gain10%.............................11.1% 
gain15%.............................17.6% 
gain20%.............................25.0% 
gain25%.............................33.0% 
gain30%.............................42.9% 
gain40%.............................66.7% 
gain50%.............................100.% 
gain60%.............................150.% 
gain75%.............................300.% 
gain90%.............................900.% gainThe results arethat 
if you risk too much and lose, your chances offull recovery are very 
slim./**********************************************************/"Do 
you critisize the cross EMA40 method or the Equity itself ?"No, next 
to the actual market charts, equity Charts are the mostimportant charts 
that a trader can keep.  Equity represents the profitor loss on a 
given trade added to the previous equity value. You shouldanalyze your 
equity very carefully to get an idea of how your trading isfairing. If you 
are trading well, the equity line should be uptrending.If the tradingis 
poor the line will be falling of downtrending.  If theresults are 
mixed, the line will be moving sideways.  Each of thisescenarioscan 
be very insightful to traders who can step back and lookobjectively at the 
results. Uptrending equity charts are what we allstrive for because this 
represents winning trades over time. The steeperthe slope the better 
because that means our money is growing rapidly.Some  techniques 
that I apply to the equity line are Trendlines  andMoving averages 
among others . The same analytical techniques applied tomarkets can also 
be applied to equity charts. A simple moving averagetaken of the equity 
line can provide some valuable insight. A trader cansuspend trading or 
lighten up on position size when equity is below themoving average. I 
recommend withdrawing to the sidelines completely whenthe equity lineis 
below its moving average and simply continue trackingthe systems 
trades.  When equity goes above the moving average, tradingshould 
resume. This technique ensures capital preservation, in case thesystem 
never returns to profitability.In the case of Moving averages , we 
should use a moving average that isslow enough so the equity line is not 
constantly crossing the movingaverage , but also, make sure it is nottoo 
slow, or a series of biglosses will need to occur for the equity to fall 
below the movingaverage. I usually use a length of 10 to 25 
days.Also, Have you experimented with different Moving averge types 
?Anthonydtsokakis wrote:>  
Anthony,> I thought to begin this thread with a method I use for years, 
even> with MSEXCEL the ...happy 99 times [I sold the whole thing when 
the> portfolio equity crossed its 15-day MA, after a long 
extra-bullish> period, no doubt about it]> Do you critisizethe 
cross EMA40 method or the Equity itself ?> In the second case, we will 
loose the method [I hope to see other> methods too].> I would 
like your opinion for this EMA40 idea.> Of course, any other criticism 
is always appreciated.> The Smoothed Stochastic CCI Equity curve is 
another [perhaps> interesting] subject.> I will post later the 
full formula to see better.> DT> --- In amibroker@xxxx, Anthony 
Faragasso <ajf1111@xxxx> wrote:> > Dimitri,> 
>> > Thank you for continuing this Thread, It is an important 
part of any>> > traders success or failure.> 
>> > Strategy and Money management are the two most important 
parts of> any> > trader's overall plan.> >> 
> The best entry rule is useless without proper risk control.  You 
can>> > almost perfectly analyze a developing market 
situation, find the> best> > strategy to exploit that 
situation, and be almost perfectly correct> in> > your 
forcast of what that market will do, and yet still lose money> 
if> > you do not use proper risk control and money 
management.> >> > There are so many variables which 
constitute Money management , that>> > just pinning it to an 
Equity curve crossover would be dangerous for> most> > 
traders.  In the 3 gifs that you have posted , the Drawdowns in 
the> > equity curves appear  to be excessive even though the 
equity curves> are> > above the 40 period EMA ,  how do 
you protect yourself from these> > drawdowns ? Are you in that much 
cash to absorb these drawdowns ?> >> >> > 
Anthony> >> >> >> > Dimitris Tsokakis 
wrote:> >> > > Another [interesting] example.Athens SE 
General Index had a nice> > > fitting to the Stochastic CCI 
system from A [Aug 2000] toB [April> > > 2001]. Take the Profits 
[nearly +60%] and stay in cash.The 40-day> EMA> > > cross 
at B is more than clear.The system is no good anymore for a> > > 
quite long period.Slightest attempts for the Equity red curve to> > 
> exceed its EMA were very dangerous until mid December 2001.A new> 
> > fitting period seem to begin and give some interesting 
profits> [+10%]> > > till Feb 2002 and out of thesystem 
again and again.The actual> Equity> > > curve should point 
17000, the equity without this type of> management> > > is 
at 7276.The all-season "blind backtesting" has no relation 
with>> > > real trading conditions.Any excellent system 
may change.You> should be> > > there to stop it, instead 
of insisting with some fanatism and> loose> > > the 
profits and a part of theinitial equity in the name of the> 
holly> > > system.Dimitris Tsokakis> > >> 
> >> > 
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