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Tomasz,
Thank you very much! I am experimenting and might have some questions a
little bit later.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Tomasz Janeczko [mailto:amibroker@x...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:21 AM
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
Peter,
Now with 4.07.0 it is possible - see ReadMe accompanying the new version.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bluesinvestor" <investor@xxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:50 AM
Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> Dave,
>
> The attachment that had Xs and Os was not AmiBroker ... AB doesn't have
that
> functionality (yet?)
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david346 [mailto:david346@x...]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:00 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
>
>
> hi mirat+ peter,
> how did you guys get ambi to disply
> the fancy "x" + "o"?saw this on an attach
> going around was it just the attach not
> ambi!tell me this is not so????
> thanks dave
> In amibroker@xxxx, "bluesinvestor" <investor@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Mirat,
> >
> > I have not looked too much into your boxsize calculation, so I
> can't comment
> > on how well it works. If you look at the reply I sent to Richard,
> it
> > appears that Bollinger had similar thoughts on boxsize.
> >
> > I do know that the methods presented on dorseywright.com and
> stockcharts.com
> > have been the traditional methods.
> >
> > As far as reversal goes, again 3 box reversal is traditional. You
> can
> > experiment with changing this value but I have no experience with
> non
> > traditional values.
> >
> > In other words I have not tested enough to see if there is any
> merit to
> > changing the traditional philosophy. It may be worth a look. Let
> me know
> > if you find anything interesting.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mirat_dave [mailto:mirat_dave@x...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:31 AM
> > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> >
> >
> > Thank you all for your comments and kind words.
> >
> > In the original script that I wrote, I used the Box scaling
> suggested
> > on StockCharts.com. It worked well; my script produced charts
> almost
> > identical to those on that site.
> >
> > The reason I changed the method of calculating the Box size is that
> I
> > follow a number of stocks that have seen a trading range over the
> > past few years of $4 - $200 or more extreme. I also follow the
> > market indicies which are in the thousands. In addition, I wanted
> to
> > be able to switch between ^DJI, MMM, IBM, MSFT, AOL, HPQ, and others
> > without manually changing the Box size.
> >
> > Traditionally, the Box and Reversal values are set at the outset and
> > not changed during the plot of a single stock. In my case, since
> > stock prices have changed dramatically, I wanted to dynamcially vary
> > the Box size as the stock price changed to produce a finer chart.
> >
> > The values suggested below and those on the stockcharst.com site
> are,
> > of course, the more widely used and accepted values.
> >
> > For the curious, the number 7.3374 and more accurately these
> > calculations:
> > Box = ((tot[i]/(i+1))^.5)/7.3374;
> > Reverse = Box * 3;
> >
> > came from an attempt to use the Box values on the stockcharts.com
> > site. The formula tries to dynamically calculate the Box sizes such
> > that they correspond to the following.
> >
> > Price Range Box Size
> > Under $0.25 .0625
> > .26 to 1.00 .125
> > 1.01 to 5 .25
> > 5.01 to 20 .50
> > 20.01 to 100 1.00
> > 100.01 to 200 2.00
> > 200.01 to 500 4.00
> > 500.01 to 1,000 5.00
> > 1,000.01 to 25,000 50.00
> > 25,000.01 and up 500.00
> >
> > Preference/bias was toward being more accurate on the Box sizes
> > corresponding the stock prices equal to and under $100.
> >
> > I have a question, by varying the Box and reversal values am I doing
> > more harm than good in the resulting PnF analysis?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mirat
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "bluesinvestor" <investor@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I think I should elaborate on my last email ... the is the
> > traditional scale
> > > used in PnF.dll:
> > >
> > > Price Range Box Size
> > > 0.00 to 5.00 .25
> > > 5.01 to 20.00 .50
> > > 20.01 to 100.00 1.00
> > > Over 100.00 2.00
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But if anyone sees a reason to change this let me know.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bluesinvestor [mailto:investor@x...]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 5:11 PM
> > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > From
> > http://stockcharts.com/education/How/AnalysisTools/pnfCharts.html:
> > >
> > > Traditional box scaling preloads box sizes historically used for
> > that
> > > particular price range. The reversal amount starts at 2 (this
> > should be 3),
> > > but can be adjusted dynamically. Here are the traditional box
> sizes
> > used in
> > > our charts:
> > >
> > >
> > > Price Range Box Size
> > > Under $0.25 .0625
> > > .26 to 1.00 .125
> > > 1.01 to 5.00 .25
> > > 5.01 to 20.00 .50
> > > 20.01 to 100.00 1.00
> > > 100.01 to 200.00 2.00
> > > 200.01 to 500.00 4.00
> > > 500.01 to 1,000.00 5.00
> > > 1,000.01 to 25,000.00 50.00
> > > 25,000.01 and up 500.00
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The traditional scaling in PnF.dll only uses .25 (less than $5)
> > up to 2
> > > (greater than $100) because I have been a student of Dorsey Wright
> > long
> > > before StockCharts came along, but the DLL can change when and if
> > needed.
> > > Plus you have the ability to use your own boxsize in the DLL.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Alford [mailto:richard.alford@x...]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:59 PM
> > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks great, Peter. Can you elaborate on what is meant by the
> > > traditional scaling? "x = Boxsize (use '0' for traditional
> scaling)
> > or
> > > provide a reference. I was checking out Kaufman and I couldn't
> > find a
> > > recommended box size.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: bluesinvestor
> > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:29 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > >
> > >
> > > Forgot to mention:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/17288
> > >
> > > For PnF.dll information.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bluesinvestor [mailto:investor@x...]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:23 PM
> > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Mirat,
> > >
> > > Good stuff!! I made some modifications to your code to
> > call my
> > > Point & Figure DLL and plot the data using your jscript code. I
> > tested it
> > > on one stock (PYPL - short history) and it looks correct (except
> > for the
> > > beginning bars:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have attached the AFL to this email (and posted below
> for
> > Yahoo
> > > viewers).
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > // PF Chart by Mirat Dave
> > >
> > > // Copy and paste this as a custom indicator.
> > >
> > > x=calcPnF(0,3);
> > >
> > > EnableScript("jscript");
> > >
> > > <%
> > >
> > > PnFValue = VBArray( AFL( "PnFVal" ) ).toArray();
> > >
> > > PnFColumn = VBArray( AFL( "PnFCol" ) ).toArray();
> > >
> > > // Calculate running average stock price for use in
> > calculating the
> > > Box size.
> > >
> > > PFO = new Array();
> > >
> > > PFC = new Array();
> > >
> > > // initialize first element
> > >
> > > j = 0;
> > >
> > > PFO[j] = PnFValue[0];
> > >
> > > PFC[j] = PnFValue[0];
> > >
> > > // perform the loop that produces PF Chart
> > >
> > > for( i = 1; i < PnFValue.length; i++ )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > if ( PnFColumn[i] == 0 )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > if( PnFColumn[i] == 0 && PnFColumn[i-1] == 0)
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > PFC[j] = PnFValue[i];
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > if( PnFColumn[i] == 0 && PnFColumn[i-1] != 0 )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > j++;
> > >
> > > PFC[j] = PnFValue[i];
> > >
> > > PFO[j] = PnFValue[i-1];
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > else
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > if (PnFColumn[i] == 1)
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > if( PnFColumn[i] == 1 && PnFColumn[i-1] == 1 )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > PFC[j] = PnFValue[i];
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > if( PnFColumn[i] == 1 && PnFColumn[i-1] != 1 )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > j++;
> > >
> > > PFO[j] = PnFValue[i-1];
> > >
> > > PFC[j] = PnFValue[i];
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > // Shift chart to the right to eliminate trailing empty
> data
> > >
> > > // - PF charts are generally smaller/shorter then the full
> > stock
> > > charts because they lack a time scale.
> > >
> > > delta = PnFValue.length - PFO.length;
> > >
> > > for( i = PnFValue.length; i > delta; i-- )
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > PFO[ i-1 ] = PFO[ i-delta-1];
> > >
> > > PFC[ i-1 ] = PFC[ i-delta-1];
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > for( i = 0; i < delta; i++)
> > >
> > > {
> > >
> > > PFO[ i-1 ] = 0;
> > >
> > > PFC[ i-1 ] = 0;
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > > AFL.Var("delta") = delta;
> > >
> > > AFL.Var("length") = PnFValue.length;
> > >
> > > AFL.Var("PFO") = PFO;
> > >
> > > AFL.Var("PFC") = PFC;
> > >
> > > %>
> > >
> > > O = PFO;
> > >
> > > C = PFC;
> > >
> > > H = (O+C)/2;
> > >
> > > L = (O+C)/2;
> > >
> > > GraphXSpace = 9;
> > >
> > > Graph0Style = 64;
> > >
> > > Graph0Color =1;
> > >
> > > Graph0 = C;
> > >
> > > Filter=C>0;
> > >
> > > AddColumn(PFO,"PFO");
> > >
> > > AddColumn(PFC,"PFC");
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mirat_dave [mailto:mirat_dave@x...]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:00 AM
> > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Richard and Dimitris,
> > >
> > > Sorry to have caused so much confusion.
> > >
> > > Since most stocks since 2000 have been trending down, you
> > may get a
> > > only a few bars because the P&F Chart ignores small up
> > moves and
> > > only
> > > extends down bars when the price moves more than the box
> > size.
> > > Since
> > > 2000, you may very well have only a few bars. Try loading
> > more data
> > > for at least one stock.
> > >
> > > I used AmiQuote and Yahoo for the data. I have data from
> > January
> > > 1994. The AmiBroker version on which I created this file
> > is 4.0.0
> > > Apr 26 2002.
> > >
> > > I do not know if the AmiBroker version is causing the
> > difference. I
> > > saw that it worked for Richard on MSFT (although I am not
> > sure what
> > > the whole MSFT v. MSFT issue was - it seems to have
> resolved
> > > itself). Perhaps Richard also has more data loaded.
> > >
> > > As you can see from the script, it is very simple. If
> > problems
> > > continue, I would be happy to go through it in detail to
> > see if
> > > there
> > > is a coding error.
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I have no other explanation other than more
> > data. Let's
> > > try that first.
> > >
> > > Mirat
> > >
> > > PS I would post .gifs of my charts but I do not know how
> > to attach
> > > a
> > > file to my reply. Although that would not help resolve
> the
> > issue.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "Richard Alford"
> > <richard.alford@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > I am just isolating variables. If we have the same
> > program and
> > > version (4.06.1 Jun 19 build), the same indicator code
> > (this I
> > > confirmed) and same data we should get the same result.
> (I
> > continue
> > > to believe in deterministic computing - probably naive in
> > light of
> > > Microsoft!). The questionable variable, and a big one, is
> > the data
> > > source - I use qp2. Perhaps someone using yahoo could
> > compare to
> > > your results?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It does appear that the "box size", the significant
> > change that
> > > defines an X or O in my understanding, should be
> normalized
> > to the
> > > price of the instrument to account for the difference in
> > WCOME
> > > pricing vs. DJIA, for example. I am referring to the code
> > fragment:
> > > >
> > > > // Calculate PF Chart Box size and minimum Reverse
> values
> > > > // Box = ((tot[i]/(i+1))^.5)/7.3374;
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: dtsokakis
> > > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:49 PM
> > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in AFL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard,
> > > > YHOO via Amiquote.
> > > > Why do you think it is a matter of data provider ?
> > > > Dimitris Tsokakis
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "Richard Alford"
> > <richard.alford@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > but the point remains that you and I get different
> > results.
> > > what
> > > > is your data source?
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: dtsokakis
> > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:47 PM
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart in
> AFL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard,
> > > > > ANY other function works just fine with my
> valuable
> > > Amibroker
> > > > 4.06.
> > > > > Just fine.
> > > > > I can not see the reason for this P&F script.
> > > > > Anyway, the author perhaps could expain.
> > > > > Dimitris Tsokakis
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "Richard Alford"
> > > <richard.alford@xxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > DT, I agree it was not easy to understand. The
> > attached
> > > charts
> > > > > showed the TWO results that were generated
> whenever
> > I
> > > entered
> > > the
> > > > > symbol MSFT - it appears to be a fluke and I
> cannot
> > > reproduce
> > > it
> > > > any
> > > > > longer. Although there is not ticker name in the
> > formula,
> > > there
> > > > was
> > > > > strange behavior occurring for MSFT and MSFT only
> > at that
> > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The gist of my reply to you was that using the
> > SAME code
> > > as
> > > you
> > > > > posted and using the code I copied from the files
> > sections,
> > > I
> > > > > generated the same results - and not the results
> > that you
> > > were
> > > > > creating. That suggests that you have a problem
> in
> > your
> > > data
> > > > and/or
> > > > > setup. The only reason for the two codes was to
> > guarantee
> > > that
> > > > there
> > > > > wasn't a subtle error - there was not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for adding the confusion about the MSFT
> > fluke at the
> > > same
> > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: dtsokakis
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:47 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure Chart
> > in AFL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard,
> > > > > > It is not easy to understand this
> > > > > > "the plot for MSFT changes when one changes
> the
> > symbol
> > > go
> > > > MSFT
> > > > > from
> > > > > > MSFT??? "
> > > > > > I copied the formula from
> > > > > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/files/Point-Figure
> > > > > > pasted in my Ind. builder and get the posted
> > gifs.
> > > > > > No ticker name is into the formula.
> > > > > > What is "the two MSFT " ???
> > > > > > Do you use the same code from the above
> > address??
> > > > > > DT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "Richard Alford"
> > > <richard.alford@xxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Those are not the figures I generate using
> > the code in
> > > > > the "files
> > > > > > section". (Why wasn't this put in the AFL
> > library is a
> > > > question
> > > > > in
> > > > > > my mind???)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just noticed that the plot for MSFT changes
> > when one
> > > > changes
> > > > > the
> > > > > > symbol go MSFT from MSFT??? Not the case for
> > AMZN or
> > > ORCL?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I attached the two MSFT for comparison, one
> > is "my"
> > > copy,
> > > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other is a copy and paste of the code in your
> > note. The
> > > > > difference
> > > > > > is the quirk in MSFT, not an error in the code
> > you have
> > > used.
> > > > And
> > > > > DT
> > > > > > do you really like black on blue borders?
> > Personally, I
> > > can
> > > > > never
> > > > > > read your chart titles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Dimitris Tsokakis
> > > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:14 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Point & Figure
> > Chart in AFL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mirat,
> > > > > > > Here is P&F charts for AMZN, MSFT and
> ORCL.
> > > > > > > Data since Jan 2000.
> > > > > > > Is it the expected picture ?
> > > > > > > The code, copied from files section
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // PF Chart by Mirat Dave
> > > > > > > // Copy and paste this as a custom
> > indicator.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EnableScript("jscript");
> > > > > > > <%
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > High = VBArray( AFL( "High" ) ).toArray();
> > > > > > > Low = VBArray( AFL( "Low" ) ).toArray();
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // Calculate running average stock price
> > for use in
> > > > > calculating
> > > > > > the Box size.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tot = new Array();
> > > > > > > tot[0] = (High[0] + Low[0])/2;
> > > > > > > for( i=1; i < High.length; i++ )
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > tot[i] = tot[i-1] + ((High[i] + Low
> [i])/2);
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > PFO = new Array();
> > > > > > > PFC = new Array();
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // initialize first element
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > j = 0;
> > > > > > > PFO[j] = High[0];
> > > > > > > PFC[j] = Low[0];
> > > > > > > down = 1; // By default the first bar is a
> > down bar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > up = 0;
> > > > > > > swap = 0;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // perform the loop that produces PF Chart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for( i = 1; i < High.length; i++ )
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > // Calculate PF Chart Box size and minimum
> > Reverse
> > > values
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Box = ((tot[i]/(i+1))^.5)/7.3374;
> > > > > > > Reverse = Box * 3;
> > > > > > > if( Low[i] < PFC[j] - Box && down)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > PFC[j] = Low[i];
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > if( High[i] >= PFC[j] + Reverse && down)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > j++;
> > > > > > > swap = 1;
> > > > > > > PFO[j] = Low[i];
> > > > > > > PFC[j] = High[i];
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > if( High[i] > PFC[j] + Box && up)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > PFC[j] = High[i];
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > if( Low[i] <= PFC[j] - Reverse && up)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > j++;
> > > > > > > PFC[j] = Low[i];
> > > > > > > PFO[j] = High[i];
> > > > > > > swap = 1;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > if( swap )
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > swap = 0;
> > > > > > > if( up )
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > up = 0;
> > > > > > > down = 1;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > up = 1;
> > > > > > > down = 0;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // Shift chart to the right to eliminate
> > trailing
> > > empty
> > > > data
> > > > > > > // - PF charts are generally
> > smaller/shorter then
> > > the
> > > > full
> > > > > stock
> > > > > > charts because they lack a time scale.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > delta = High.length - PFO.length;
> > > > > > > for( i = High.length; i > delta; i-- )
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > PFO[ i-1 ] = PFO[ i-delta-1];
> > > > > > > PFC[ i-1 ] = PFC[ i-delta-1];
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > for( i = 0; i < delta; i++)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > PFO[ i-1 ] = 0;
> > > > > > > PFC[ i-1 ] = 0;
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > AFL.Var("PFO") = PFO;
> > > > > > > AFL.Var("PFC") = PFC;
> > > > > > > %>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > O = PFO;
> > > > > > > C = PFC;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > H = (O+C)/2;
> > > > > > > L = (O+C)/2;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > GraphXSpace = 9;
> > > > > > > Graph0Style = 64;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Graph0Color =1;
> > > > > > > Graph0 = C;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any reply.
> > > > > > > Dimitris Tsokakis
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