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>From that, we can draw the following conclusions:
a.. extreme values of RSI are unfrequent (^NDX birthday, as you say): 3.8%
lower than 20 on buy signals, 12.2% higher than 80 on short signals (higher
frequency for short signals because market is trending up, decreasing the
probability to reach lower values)
b.. RSI is not a leading indicator as the percentage decreases very fast
with the time lag
c.. but a 1 day delay does not decreases the performance, so that you can
enter on the open next day.
For RSI, we cannot say that this is new information. But I think it could be
interesting to do this kind of analysis with your own indicators to get a
better understanding of their behaviour.
AFL code used for the test:
Buy = L==Trough(L,5);
Short = H==Peak(H,5);
Sell = Short;
Cover = Buy;
Buy=ExRem(Buy,Sell);Sell=ExRem(Sell,Buy);
Short=ExRem(Short,Cover);Cover=ExRem(Cover,Short);
Filter = Short;
AddColumn(IIf(Buy,1,IIf(Short,-1,0)),"Signal",1.0);
AddColumn(RSI(10),"RSI",1.2);
AddColumn(Ref(RSI(10),-1),"RSI",1.2);
AddColumn(Ref(RSI(10),-2),"RSI",1.2);
AddColumn(Ref(RSI(10),-3),"RSI",1.2);
AddColumn(Ref(RSI(10),-4),"RSI",1.2);
AddColumn(Ref(RSI(10),-5),"RSI",1.2);
-----Original Message-----
From: dtsokakis [mailto:TSOKAKIS@x...]
Sent: lundi 29 avril 2002 10:01
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amibroker] Re: Indicator Values at Buys
--- In amibroker@xxxx, "Listes trading" <listes.trading@xxxx> wrote:
> Another solution is:
> Ind = RSI(10); // Define your indicator
> Ind_Buy_Value = iif(Buy,Ind,0);
> Ind_Short_Value = iif(Short,Ind,0);
>
> It will produce arrays with the value of the indicator on buy/short
bars and
> 0 elsewhere.
> You can tabulate it as stated by Steve using :
> Filter = Ind_Buy_Value!=0 OR Ind_Short_Value!=0;
>
> Your mail gives me a idea I want to work on:
> a.. create a "all-the-time-winning-system" (something like : buy
on
> troughs and sell on peaks)
> b.. record the value of any indicator on the buy/sell days
> c.. compute statistics to identify efficient thresholds
> A good way to test if old sayings like "buy when RSI is lower than
70" have
> some statistical soundness.
!! From Jan 2000 till now, ^NDX RSI() was above 70 only on 19/11/2001
[71.51]. The old saying is perhaps a bit different. [Except if at 60s
they were buying everyday...].
We could call 19/11 a birthday for ^NDX, but it is false. Birthday is
once a year, [except the Feb 29]
Anyway, to be serious again, the idea is nice if we have an
appropriate statistical method. Is there anything in mind?
Dimitris Tsokakis
>
> Waz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Dugas [mailto:sjdugas@x...]
> Sent: dimanche 28 avril 2002 23:38
> To: amibroker@xxxx
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Indicator Values at Buys
>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> If you set
>
> Filter = BUY or SELL;
>
> and then use AddColumn to add a column for each indicator, your
> exploration results will contain one line for each trade signal,
which will
> contain the value of your indicators on that day. If the actual
trade is
> delayed, you can set up AddColumn as follows:
>
> AddColumn(Ref( Your Indicator Here, Periods To Delay), "Header");
>
> Is this what you were looking for?
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Close
> To: AmiBroker List
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:00 PM
> Subject: [amibroker] Indicator Values at Buys
>
>
> Can someone suggest a method and code to record and/or display
the value
> of
> one or more indicators when EACH Buy and Sell occurs. This is
not an
> exploration on any one day or number of days in the past. It
seems like
> it
> is a Buy/Sell system with the desireability of recording
conditions when
> each B/S occurs. ValueWhen function requires that you specify
the nth
> most
> recent occurance of a "Condition". How do you record the value
over
> every
> occurance of the condition?
>
> RSICondition = ValueWhen(BUY,RSI(),??????);
>
> In this case RSICondition is a scalar and not an array, correct?
> How would I make it an array and find every occurance??
>
> Help!
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>Here=20
is a quick interpretation for the RSI(10) tested over the 30 stocks of the =
DJIA=20
plus the index since 1985 (about 3200 buy/sell=20
signals).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
=20
size=3D2>Optimal strategy is "buy on a 5% trough, short on a 5% peak". I ch=
ecked=20
the values of the indicator on the 5 days before the signal.</FONT></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
=20
size=3D2>Attached EXCEL sheet gives the results as the cumulative=20
probability.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>From=20
that, we can draw the following conclusions:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
=20
size=3D2>extreme values of RSI are unfrequent (^NDX birthday, as you say)=
: 3.8%=20
lower than 20 on buy signals, 12.2% higher than 80 on short signals (high=
er=20
frequency for short signals because market is trending up, decreasing the=
=20
probability to reach lower values)</FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
size=3D2>RSI=20
is not a leading indicator as the percentage decreases very fast with the=
time=20
lag</FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042=
002><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 size=3D2>but a 1 day delay does not decrea=
ses the=20
performance, so that you can enter on the open next day.</FONT></SPAN></L=
I></UL>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800=
000=20
size=3D2>For RSI, we cannot say that this is new information. But I th=
ink it=20
could be interesting to do this kind of analysis with your own indicators t=
o get=20
a better understanding of their behaviour.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
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size=3D2><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><=
SPAN=20
class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><=
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class=3D483561619-29042002></SPAN><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>AFL=20
code used for the test:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D483561619-29042002><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>
<P>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> =3D </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff00=
00=20
size=3D2>L</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D=3D</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#3cb371=20
size=3D2>Trough</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#ff0000=20
size=3D2>L</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#2828=
28=20
size=3D2>5</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=3D=
#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> =3D </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
0000=20
size=3D2>H</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D=3D</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#3cb371=20
size=3D2>Peak</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#f=
f0000=20
size=3D2>H</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#2828=
28=20
size=3D2>5</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=3D=
#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Sell</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> =3D </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
000=20
size=3D2>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>;</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Cover</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> =3D </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
0000=20
size=3D2>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>;</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D</FONT><FONT color=3D#3cb371=
=20
size=3D2>ExRem</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
0000=20
size=3D2>Sell</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Sell</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#3cb371=20
size=3D2>ExRem</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Sell</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#f=
f0000=20
size=3D2>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D</FONT><FONT color=3D#3cb3=
71=20
size=3D2>ExRem</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Cover</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#ff0000=20
size=3D2>Cover</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=3D</FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>ExRem</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Cover</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
ff0000=20
size=3D2>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT colo=
r=3D#ff0000=20
size=3D2>
<P>Filter</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> =3D </FONT><FONT face=3D"Lu=
cida Console"=20
color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>;</P></=
FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3cb371 size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>IIf</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
0000=20
size=3D2>Buy</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>1</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#3cb3=
71=20
size=3D2>IIf</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
0000=20
size=3D2>Short</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,-</FONT><FONT color=3D=
#282828=20
size=3D2>1</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#2828=
28=20
size=3D2>0</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>)),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
00ff=20
size=3D2>"Signal"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=
=3D#282828=20
size=3D2>1.0</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff=
00ff=20
size=3D2>"</FONT><FONT face=3D"Lucida Console" color=3D#ff00ff size=3D2>RSI=
</FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#ff00ff size=3D2>"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FO=
NT=20
color=3D#282828 size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></F=
ONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3cb371 size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>Ref</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),-</FONT><FONT color=3D#2=
82828=20
size=3D2>1</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
0ff=20
size=3D2>"RSI"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
282828=20
size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>Ref</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),-</FONT><FONT color=3D#2=
82828=20
size=3D2>2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
0ff=20
size=3D2>"RSI"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
282828=20
size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>Ref</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),-</FONT><FONT color=3D#2=
82828=20
size=3D2>3</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
0ff=20
size=3D2>"RSI"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
282828=20
size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>Ref</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),-</FONT><FONT color=3D#2=
82828=20
size=3D2>4</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
0ff=20
size=3D2>"RSI"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
282828=20
size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT><FONT color=
=3D#3cb371=20
size=3D2>
<P>AddColumn</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>Ref</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#3c=
b371=20
size=3D2>RSI</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(</FONT><FONT color=3D#28=
2828=20
size=3D2>10</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),-</FONT><FONT color=3D#2=
82828=20
size=3D2>5</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>),</FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0=
0ff=20
size=3D2>"RSI"</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>,</FONT><FONT color=3D#=
282828=20
size=3D2>1.2</FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>);</P></FONT></SPAN></DIV=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2>-=
----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dtsokakis=20
[mailto:TSOKAKIS@x...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> lundi 29 avril 2002=20
10:01<BR><B>To:</B> amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> [amibrok=
er]=20
Re: Indicator Values at Buys<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><TT>--- In amibroker@xxxx=
.,=20
"Listes trading" <listes.trading@xxxx> wrote:<BR>> Another solut=
ion=20
is:<BR>> Ind =3D RSI(10); // Define your indicator<BR>> Ind_Buy_Val=
ue =3D=20
iif(Buy,Ind,0);<BR>> Ind_Short_Value =3D iif(Short,Ind,0);<BR>> <BR=
>>=20
It will produce arrays with the value of the indicator on buy/short <BR>b=
ars=20
and<BR>> 0 elsewhere.<BR>> You can tabulate it as stated by Steve u=
sing=20
:<BR>> Filter =3D Ind_Buy_Value!=3D0 OR Ind_Short_Value!=3D0;<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Your mail gives me a idea I want to work on:<BR>> a.. crea=
te a=20
"all-the-time-winning-system" (something like : buy <BR>on<BR>> trough=
s and=20
sell on peaks)<BR>> b.. record the value of any indicator =
on=20
the buy/sell days<BR>> c.. compute statistics to identify=
=20
efficient thresholds<BR>> A good way to test if old sayings like "buy =
when=20
RSI is lower than <BR>70" have<BR>> some statistical soundness.<BR><BR=
>!!=20
>From Jan 2000 till now, ^NDX RSI() was above 70 only on 19/11/2001<BR>[71=
.51].=20
The old saying is perhaps a bit different. [Except if at 60s <BR>they wer=
e=20
buying everyday...].<BR>We could call 19/11 a birthday for ^NDX, but it i=
s=20
false. Birthday is <BR>once a year, [except the Feb 29]<BR>Anyway, to be=
=20
serious again, the idea is nice if we have an <BR>appropriate statistical=
=20
method. Is there anything in mind?<BR>Dimitris Tsokakis<BR>> <BR>>=
=20
Waz<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> Fr=
om:=20
Steve Dugas [mailto:sjdugas@x...]<BR>> Sent: dimanche 28 a=
vril=20
2002 23:38<BR>> To: amibroker@xxxx<BR>> Sub=
ject:=20
Re: [amibroker] Indicator Values at Buys<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> &=
nbsp;=20
Hi Ken,<BR>> <BR>> If you set<BR>> <BR>> &nb=
sp;=20
Filter =3D BUY or SELL;<BR>> <BR>> and then use AddColu=
mn to=20
add a column for each indicator, your<BR>> exploration results will co=
ntain=20
one line for each trade signal, <BR>which will<BR>> contain the value =
of=20
your indicators on that day. If the actual <BR>trade is<BR>> delayed, =
you=20
can set up AddColumn as follows:<BR>> <BR>> AddColumn(R=
ef(=20
Your Indicator Here, Periods To Delay), "Header");<BR>>=20
<BR>> Is this what you were looking for?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Steve<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----=20
Original Message -----<BR>> From: Ken=20
Close<BR>> To: AmiBroker=20
List<BR>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:00=20
PM<BR>> Subject: [amibroker] Indicator Values =
at=20
Buys<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Can someone sugges=
t a=20
method and code to record and/or display <BR>the value<BR>>=20
of<BR>> one or more indicators when EACH Buy a=
nd=20
Sell occurs. This is <BR>not an<BR>> =20
exploration on any one day or number of days in the past. It <BR>se=
ems=20
like<BR>> it<BR>> is a Buy/Sell system with=
the=20
desireability of recording <BR>conditions when<BR>> &=
nbsp;=20
each B/S occurs. ValueWhen function requires that you specify <BR>t=
he=20
nth<BR>> most<BR>> recent occurance of a=20
"Condition". How do you record the value <BR>over<BR>>=20
every<BR>> occurance of the condition?<BR>>=
=20
<BR>> RSICondition =3D=20
ValueWhen(BUY,RSI(),??????);<BR>> <BR>> In =
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