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U = sum of up closes/14
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Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: AR.Holzwarth@xxxx
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified RSI
Thank you for the quick response. I have just read the explanation on thesite you provided. But I am still confused. At the end of the article it says:
What does that mean exactly? What is the "average of upward price change"? Can you provide a simple example?
That would be great.
Thanks
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: wavemechanic
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified RSI
http://www.equis.com/free/taaz/rsi.html
----- Original Message -----
From: AR.Holzwarth@xxxx
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified RSI
I would like to understand the definition of RSI in order to follow the
thread. Could you please explain what (up/down)(last x) means exactlyand
what the "normal " definition of RSI is?
Thank you.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "server not recognized" <winchp@xxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified RSI
> Dimitri,
>
> What you describe is not what I meant.. The rsi formula
>
> rsi = 100-(100/(1+(up/down)).
>
> is the fundamental problem.
>
> As up tends to zero, up/down tends to zero and rsi tends to 0
> as down tends to zero, up/down tends to infinity and rsi tends to 1.
>
> The characteristic of these reciprocal type curves is long, unresponsive
tails that lead to the rsi being unresponsive as the
> numerator or denominator tends to zero. All the sensitivity is at the 50%
mark but you are trying to make decisions in the rapidly
> declining sensitivty region.
>
> I suggest the nicety of limit bands be discarded entirely and the rsi be
structered as something else entirely, so that:
>
> it has no limits,
> crosses zero
> and can be equally positive and negative.
>
> For example, and I make this up in my head without checking first,
>
> modrsi = up(last 4)/down (last15) - down(last4)/up(last15)
>
> or closer to the original which I think will tone it down some. (ifnot
reverse the order - put the last14/last3)
>
> modrsi = 100-(100/(1+(up/down)(last3)/(up/down)(last14))).
>
> I am suggesting to be radical and not simply rearrage or blend outcomes
from various established indicators, but break them open
> completely an re-cast their principles.
>
> P
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS" <TSOKAKIS@xxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:55 PM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Modified RSI
>
>
> > I have always the alternative of Normalization, exposed here in some
> > earlier post, ie
> > NormRSI=100*(RSI-RSImin)//RSImax-RSImin)
> > which fit better in [0,100] band.
> > I think that this new idea of Modified RSI is a better approach.
> > I will revert after more tests.
> > Thank you for hint.
> > Dimitris Tsokakis
> > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "server not recognized" <winchp@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Dimitri,
> > >
> > > Constance Brown in her book "Technical Analysis for the Trading
> > Professional", advocates that the 30/70 is not appropriate as
> > > constants, and should be modified depending upon recent history.
> > For example after an RSI > 70 period then a decline to 40 is
> > > significant and vice versa, i.e 30/70 shpould be applied with
> > judgement.
> > >
> > > Secondly the non zeroing of RSI and its lack of sensitivity beyond
> > the 70/30 is a fault with its ideal of normalising. Constances
> > > suggested opened the door to eve better understanding for me. I
> > would suggest that rather than using the RSI() supplied that you
> > > play around with actual formula and try and achieve the following:
> > >
> > > no upper/lower limit,
> > > able to cross zero
> > > can have negative numbers
> > >
> > > I have done this with ADX with some satisfaction. I would also
> > suggest that additonal terms can be included inside the RSI formula
> > > to increase sensivity to certain events when they are present. I
> > would also suggest that where ever possible ema and ma not be used
> > > except when trying to establish long term baselines. You may not
> > like the jerkiness without them, but the peak values take on
> > > significance in magnitude and timing after you use the
> > reconstructed formulas that ema and ma do their best to blurr.
> > >
> > > Both RSI() and ADX() in my view are horses of different colours
> > because both are associated with volatility breakout. The resultsof
> > > one are similar to the other.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps with your search.
> > >
> > > P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>If, for example, you are using RSI(14), then U and D
are:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>U = sum of up closes/14</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>D = sum of down closes/14</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Bill</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you for the quick response. I havejust
read the explanation on the site you provided. But I am still confused. At the
end of the article it says:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What does that mean exactly? What is the "averageof
upward price change"? Can you provide a simple example?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That would be great.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [amibroker] Re: Modified
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I would like to understand the definition of RSI in order
to follow the<BR>thread. Could you please explain what (up/down)(lastx)
means exactly and<BR>what the "normal " definition of RSI is?<BR>Thank
you.<BR><BR>Al<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "server
not recognized" <<A
href="mailto:winchp@xxxx";>winchp@xxxx</A>><BR>To:
<<A
href="mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:49 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re:
Modified RSI<BR><BR><BR>> Dimitri,<BR>><BR>> What you describe is
not what I meant.. The rsi formula<BR>><BR>> rsi =
100-(100/(1+(up/down)).<BR>><BR>> is the fundamental
problem.<BR>><BR>> As up tends to zero, up/down tends to zero and
rsi tends to 0<BR>> as down tends to zero, up/down tends to infinity
and rsi tends to 1.<BR>><BR>> The characteristic of these reciprocal
type curves is long, unresponsive<BR>tails that lead to the rsi being
unresponsive as the<BR>> numerator or denominator tends to zero.
All the sensitivity is at the 50%<BR>mark but you are trying to make
decisions in the rapidly<BR>> declining sensitivty
region.<BR>><BR>> I suggest the nicety of limit bands be discarded
entirely and the rsi be<BR>structered as something else entirely, so
that:<BR>><BR>> it has no limits,<BR>> crosses zero<BR>>
and can be equally positive and negative.<BR>><BR>> For example, and
I make this up in my head without checking first,<BR>><BR>> modrsi
= up(last 4)/down (last15) -
down(last4)/up(last15)<BR>><BR>> or closer to the original which I
think will tone it down some. (if not<BR>reverse the order - put the
last14/last3)<BR>><BR>> modrsi =
100-(100/(1+(up/down)(last3)/(up/down)(last14))).<BR>><BR>> I am
suggesting to be radical and not simply rearrage or blend outcomes<BR>from
various established indicators, but break them open<BR>> completely an
re-cast their principles.<BR>><BR>> P<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>> From: "DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS" <<A
href="mailto:TSOKAKIS@xxxx";>TSOKAKIS@xxxx</A>><BR>>To:
<<A
href="mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:55 PM<BR>> Subject: [amibroker] Re:
Modified RSI<BR>><BR>><BR>> > I have always the alternative of
Normalization, exposed here in some<BR>> > earlier post, ie<BR>>
> NormRSI=100*(RSI-RSImin)//RSImax-RSImin)<BR>> > which fit
better in [0,100] band.<BR>> > I think that this new idea of
Modified RSI is a better approach.<BR>> > I will revert after more
tests.<BR>> > Thank you for hint.<BR>> > Dimitris
Tsokakis<BR>> > --- In <A
href="mailto:amibroker@xxxx";>amibroker@xxxx</A>..., "server not recognized"
<winchp@xxxx...> wrote:<BR>> > >
Dimitri,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Constance Brown in her book
"Technical Analysis for the Trading<BR>> > Professional", advocates
that the 30/70 is not appropriate as<BR>> > > constants, and
should be modified depending upon recent history.<BR>> > For example
after an RSI > 70 period then a decline to 40 is<BR>> > >
significant and vice versa, i.e 30/70 shpould be applied with<BR>>>
judgement.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Secondly the non zeroing of
RSI and its lack of sensitivity beyond<BR>> > the 70/30 is a fault
with its ideal of normalising. Constances<BR>> > >
suggested opened the door to eve better understanding for me.
I<BR>> > would suggest that rather than using the RSI() supplied
that you<BR>> > > play around with actual formula and try and
achieve the following:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > no upper/lower
limit,<BR>> > > able to cross zero<BR>> > > can have
negative numbers<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I have done thiswith
ADX with some satisfaction. I would also<BR>> > suggest that
additonal terms can be included inside the RSI formula<BR>> > >
to increase sensivity to certain events when they are present.
I<BR>> > would also suggest that where ever possible ema and manot
be used<BR>> > > except when trying to establish long term
baselines. You may not<BR>> > like the jerkiness without them,
but the peak values take on<BR>> > > significance in magnitude
and timing after you use the<BR>> > reconstructed formulas thatema
and ma do their best to blurr.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Both
RSI() and ADX() in my view are horses of different colours<BR>> >
because both are associated with volatility breakout. The results
of<BR>> > > one are similar to the other.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > I hope this helps with your search.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > P<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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